Why is the cacao trade so broken? Why does chocolate increasingly cause new rainforest areas to be cut down? What if we could make chocolate from other sources? Join us for this episode with WNWN co-founder Ahrum Pak. Check out our supporter of this season ProVeg Incubator and their 12-month incubator program: https://provegincubator.com/ Check out our supporter of this season, FoodLabs and their Climate Program: https://www.foodlabs.com/ Connect with Marina Schmidt https://www.linkedin.com/in/schmidt-marina/ For sponsorships, collaborations or feedback write Marina at change@redtogreen.solutions More info and links to resources on https://redtogreen.solutions/   Hashtags for this episode cacao-free chocolate chocolate farming cacao farming impact of cacao cacao alternatives WNWN company biomass fermentation traditional fermentation cacao fermentation Hashtags for this season Biotechnology in food What is biotechnology food Food biotechnology examples Food biotechnology startups Biotechnology food companies Biotech food in usa Food biotechnology examples