Co-host Shanna and Talia are joined by Nikki as they celebrate the 3-year anniversary of Matter of Life and Debt! In this special episode, they look back on how the podcast has created community and helped destigmatize student debt over the years. For the spotlight section, Nikki interviews Sarah Thibault, an artist, writer, and podcaster who was one of the earliest guests on the podcast. Sarah reflects on how her views on her student loans have changed, especially now that the art school she attended has declared bankruptcy. She discusses taking a more spiritual approach to considering what she actually owes. After the insightful interview, Talia, Shanna, and Nikki discuss how Sarah’s perspective uniquely highlights the complexity of people’s relationships with student debt. To close out the celebratory episode, the hosts share what brings them joy right now - improved health, upcoming events, fall weather, and the community built over the podcast’s 3-year journey. Join them for a thoughtful and uplifting conversation! References: Education Department punishes student loan servicer for billing mistakes Theatre Activism Troupe: Art Activism Festival Overview Debt Collective Events Sarah's Instagram Sarah's Podcast The Side Woo Art Date with Sarah Thibault (Substack) Panel Talk on Unblocking Creativity with The Side Woo Live @ the ICA SF November 5, 3-5pm PT  Student Debt Release Tool