After an emaciated 12yo boy appears at a neighbor's front door with duct tape tied around his wrists and ankles, In this episode, Robin delves into the perplexing case of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt, two seemingly ordinary and highly successful women...one a Youtube influencer, and the other a well-respected therapist...who were directly responsible for one of the most sadistic cases of child abuse Utah has ever seen. ------------------------------------------.Email us and share your personal story: info@wesawthedevil.comWebsite: http://www.wesawthedevil.com Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/wesawthedevilInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/wesawthedevilpodcastRobin's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/robin_wstdDiscord: https://discord.gg/gDevRryXBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/we-saw-the-devil-a-true-crime-podcast--4433638/support.