Wait! There were THREE Cagneys?In Part 2 of our conversation with creator/executive producer Barney Rosenzweig, we follow along as the massive success of the Cagney & Lacey TV movie launches it directly into a weekly series for CBS and into a very tumultuous road from multiple cancellations to hit ratings and 14 Emmys. The rest, as they say, is 80’s TV herstory…THE CONVERSATIONGOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 1: “We want ‘Cagney & Lacey’ as a mid-season pick-up!” BUT… “You’ve got to be on the air in 20 weeks. And -- you need a new Cagney”.After Loretta Switt, but before Meg Foster… Susan Clark (Webster, Coogan's Bluff) was almost Cagney -- except for one small problem only Barney noticed. (“Lacey & Lacey” anyone?)GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 2: Cagney & Lacey premieres to a 38 share!” BUT… “Then it plummets to a 22 share. You’re canceled.”Time slot matters: Why would it be a bad idea to air Cagney & Lacey after massive-hit Magnum P.I.? After Cagney & Lacey is dropped, what 80s detective duo TV show was saved from the chopping block by taking the slot? Spoiler alert: Simon & Simon!How did Barney snatch victory from the jaws of defeat - and wrangle a last-minute reprieve that results in a second-season order.THE FINAL CAGNEY: How the second season renewal is dependent on replacing Cagney one more time. The end of House Calls gives us the third - and final - Cagney in the form of… drumroll… Sharon Gless!GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 3: “Your ratings are great! You’re nominated for Emmys!” BUT… “The Thornbirds came on and destroyed your ratings. You’re canceled – AGAIN!”The Barney & fan-driven letter-writing campaign to save the show from death -- AGAIN!The Abortion Episode – and why Barney thinks it’s one of their weakest.How Barney’s on-set affair led to the end of one marriage (to Barbara Corday, Cagney & Lacey writer/creator and then Columbia Television president) and the beginning of another (to series co-star Sharon Gless).Looking Back: Barney reflects on the many ways his journey with “Cagney & Lacey” changed his career, his personal philosophy – and his life.So join Susan & Sharon – and Barney – as they talk Moonlighting, Dead to Me – and why you should always call your mom…AUDIOGRAPHYWHERE TO WATCH:On Apple.On Amazon.On Pluto.More Streaming Options on Decider.Visit the Official Cagney & Lacey website.Read Barney Rosenzweig’s Blog!Get Barney’s book: “Cagney & Lacey… and me” BOOK: “From Reverence to Rape: The Treatment of Women in the Movies” by Molly HaskellWeirding Way Media (Mike White & Chris Stachiw) Need help or want to help? ABORTIONFUNDS.ORGHelp people access abortion: ThePinkHouseFund.comWE’RE NOW ON PATREON! Help us out AND get ad-free episodes and other good stuff. For more information or to download a transcript of this podcast, visit - 80sTVLadies.com!Don’t miss out on everything 80s TV Ladies. Sign up for our mailing list!