Deval Sanghavi speaks to Donald Lobo, one of India's most unassuming philanthropists.  Listen in as Lobo deftly steers the conversation away from the Rolling Stones article he was featured in, and as he talks about his giving philosophy and why he trusts organizations that are truly embedded in communities, what people think the terms impact and scale mean versus what they should mean, and why Lobo’s hopeful about the Indian social sector.  (42:39) ” If you're doing something for the public good, why don't you give the public ownership of it? And I think this is where funders, foundations can play a big role in it. That's step one, right? But step one is really not going to get you anywhere. You can put your stuff out there, but if other people aren't willing to use it or willing to do research and figure out what's there, that's also a big part of the ecosystem and a big part of the problem." Donald Lobo moved to the US from Mumbai in the early 1990s to pursue computer science, and  found himself on Yahoo’s founding team. He is also the co-founder and lead developer of CiviCRM, which was set up to give the social sector free and open software. Having always had a keen interest in civil society, Lobo always found time to volunteer alongside his work, and very early on he began thinking about investing more and more of his time and his resources in causes close to his heart. Lobo is the founder of the Chintu Gudiya Foundation that funds NGOs in India and runs Tech4Dev, that works with non-profits to build their tech capacities.  For more information on NCE go to dasra.org/nce and follow Deval on Twitter at @Deval_Sanghavi and @Dasra