Alannah Weston, Chairman of Selfridges Group, speaks to leaders who are driving transformational change towards sustainable industry. In this episode, Alannah is joined by Leslie Johnston, CEO of the Laudes Foundation, which catalyses systems change in the worlds of fashion, finance and the built environment, towards a new economy that values all people and nature. Leslie discusses the twin motivators of fear and inspiration when trying to change mindsets, and explains why the second is the more effective tool. She talks about the complexity of changing systems but outlines that it is possible to make a climate-positive transition without leaving behind the people whose livelihoods rely on systems which are currently damaging our planet. How to Lead a Sustainable Business is brought to you by Selfridges Group and Intelligence Squared. If you enjoy this episode, please take a moment to rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts.